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Q&A with TCW

Published
December 12, 2024
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Jennifer Grancio

Head of ETFs and Global Head of Distribution at TCW

This week we sit down with Jennifer Grancio at TCW to discuss the company’s recent launches and their views on the active ETF market.


What led to TCW’s decision to enter the ETF space?

For more than 50 years, investors have trusted TCW to provide active strategies across fixed income, equities, emerging markets, and alternative investments. As demand for ETFs increases, we are committed to innovating and delivering solutions to meet our clients’ needs. Our platform of eleven equity and fixed income ETFs capitalizes on TCW’s legacy of strong performance and investment expertise.

Just last month you launched and converted 5 new actively managed fixed income ETFs. Can you tell us more about this lineup?

These new conversions and launches bring our fixed income ETF platform to six products, joining TCW Flexible Income ETF (FLXR) which converted earlier in June.

This expansion provides investors with a broader range of TCW’s precision ETFs to capitalize on attractive alpha opportunities while actively mitigating downside risk. These ETFs belong alongside your existing core and seek to maximize income, enhance total return, and diversify your portfolio.

Our lineup now includes two multi-sector ETFs, FLXR which is focused primarily on investment grade sectors and TCW Multisector Credit Income ETF (MUSE) which focuses on plus sectors (high yield, senior loans, and emerging markets). Both have the flexibility to dynamically shift allocations based on changing market conditions and relative value.

In addition, we have four single sector ETFs focused on AAA CLOs (ACLO), senior loans (SLNZ), high yield bonds (HYBX) and investment grade corporate bonds (IGCB). While index ETFs can be helpful for liquidity, we believe investors also need active ETFs which seek to deliver better long-term risk-adjusted alpha working from a much broader set of securities than index products.

TCW also has a suite of five equity ETFs. What are some key themes you find compelling in the equity market?

Our active equity ETFs are high conviction concentrated portfolios focused on capturing the value presented by long-term thematic opportunities. We have identified massive economic shifts and the companies across sectors that we believe are most likely to benefit from them. We believe most equity investors are under-exposed to the leaders of these transformative megatrends including supply chain reshoring, the energy transition and artificial intelligence.

Starting with supply chain reshoring – global supply chains are transitioning as the pre-pandemic model of manufacturing goods abroad shifts to a model where goods are manufactured in North America. This shift is already happening – since the beginning of 2021, $1.2T in megaprojects has been announced in the U.S. and only 18% has broken ground, creating an enormous opportunity that the TCW Transform Supply Chain ETF (SUPP) seeks to capture.

Another massive transformation we have identified is the energy transition. The planet’s energy and power systems – and the businesses that are the greatest consumers of energy – are undergoing dramatic change. Global investment in the energy transition hit a record $1.8 trillion in 2023, with more than $5T in annual spending needed each year until 2030. These investments are required in infrastructure, materials, and “old economy” companies which is the focus of our ETF, TCW Transform Systems ETF (NETZ).

You have heard about the third mega-theme: Artificial Intelligence. Our strategy is about the entire infrastructure and growth in value over time – not just a few high-fliers. As pioneers in the space, incepting TCW Artificial Intelligence ETF (AIFD) in 2017, we believe we are only at the beginning of the transformation to build out AI infrastructure and capability. We focus on providing access to the companies providing foundational technology, those building systems and functionality, and those using AI to disrupt industries.

What are the benefits of active management in the ETF wrapper?

We believe skilled active managers are better positioned to navigate uncertain market cycles like the one we are seeing today and deliver alpha. Active managers can make proactive portfolio construction decisions – resulting in better risk management and potential to deliver alpha.

Within equities, we believe the current macro landscape is creating an ideal stock-picking environment for two reasons:

  • We expect higher dispersion going forward, resulting in fundamentals-driven stock prices. Historically when there is a spike in dispersion levels, active manager outperformance increases.
  • Peak market concentration levels pave the way for high conviction active managers to identify overlooked outperformance opportunities. Investors in an index fund are no longer truly diversified, so they could benefit from exposure to skilled active managers with track records of selecting differentiated investments.

At TCW we believe active management isn’t just advantageous – it is essential.

Lastly, you’ve recently consolidated your lineup onto the NYSE Floor. What do you see as the benefits to investors of listing ETFs on the NYSE Floor, and more specifically, the benefits to listing active ETFs on the NYSE Floor?

At TCW we’re committed to strengthening the execution experience for our clients and investors when trading in shares of each of the ETFs. By listing on the NYSE, the ETFs have access to best-in-class trading technology and human oversight. Additionally, listing on the NYSE floor has the potential to enhance the ETFs’ market quality as marked by tighter spreads, larger quoted size trades and additional liquidity.


Before investing you should carefully consider the fund’s investment objectives, risks, charges, and expenses. This and other information is in the prospectus, a copy of which may be obtained from etf.tcw.com. Please read the prospectus carefully before you invest.

TCW Fixed Income ETFs are subject to the following risks: Fixed income investments entail interest rate risk, the risk of issuer default, issuer credit risk, and price volatility risk. Funds investing in bonds can lose their value as interest rates rise and an investor can lose principal.

TCW Equity ETFs are subject to the following risks: Supply Chain Risks. Companies supply chains are generally subject to risk such as legislative or regulatory changes; adverse market conditions and/or increased competition; technological developments and changing technology; cyberattacks that may compromise a company’s operations or business; occasional sharp price movements which may result from changes in the economy, fuel prices, labor agreements, exchange rate movements, and insurance costs; pandemics, natural disasters or other crisis; boarder and/or import controls; pent-up /increased demand; mobility restrictions; shortages of product and labor; dependence on intellectual property rights, and potential loss or impairment of those rights; research and development costs; and rapid product obsolescence. Global, regional, or local events, such as changes to trade relations, trade restrictions, and/or military conflict, may materially disrupt or indefinitely impair the operations of these companies.

Artificial Intelligence Risks: Artificial intelligence-related businesses may be negatively impacted because of, among other things, limited product lines, markets, financial resources and/or personnel these companies may have, intense competition and potentially rapid product obsolescence these companies may face, loss or impairment of intellectual property rights, and the inability to successfully develop products or services even after spending significant amount of resources. Undervalued stocks may not realize their perceived value for extended periods of time or may never realize their perceived value.

Emerging Markets Risk Investments in securities and instruments traded in developing or emerging markets, or that provide exposure to such securities or markets, can involve additional risks relating to political, economic, or regulatory conditions not associated with investments in U.S. securities and instruments.

Alpha is defined as a measure of active return on investment in excess of benchmark index.

The Fund is advised by TCW Investment Management Company LLC. Distributed by Foreside Financial Services, LLC. Effective October 13, 2023, TCW acquired the Transform ETF business from Engine No. 1 and the fund's adviser became TCW Investment Management Company LLC. Prior to that date, the fund's adviser was Fund Management at Engine No. 1 LLC.

NOT FDIC INSURED | NO BANK GUARANTEE | MAY LOSE VALUE

© 2024 TCW Group. All rights reserved.

This content is for informational purposes only. NYSE does not recommend or endorse any investments, investment strategies, companies, products or services discussed.

Active ETF Stat Pack


Firms
# of Issuers313
# of New Issuers 202460
ProductsAssets
# of ETFs1,762AUM ($B)$893.08
# of New Launches 20245133 Yr AUM CAGR47%
Avg. ER0.44%5 Yr AUM CAGR56%
Cash FlowTrading
YTD Cash Flow ($B)$273.57YTD ADV (Shares)447,030,721
3 Yr Cash Flow$492.41YTD ADV ($)$10.7 B
5 Yr Cash Flow$637.85YTD Avg. Spread (bps)*25.38

Source: Factset & NYSE Internal Database and Consolidated Tape Statistics as of 12/6/2024

*Simple average

Active, Semi-Transparent ETFs


TickerInceptionNameAUMYTD Flows30 Day Median Spread (bps)ADV (shares)StructureLMMExpense RatioListing Venue
VNSE17/09/2020Natixis Vaughan Nelson Select ETF$19,829,586-$15,788,42718.664,262NYSE AMSCitadel0.80%NYSE
ESGA15/07/2020American Century Sustainable Equity ETF$238,907,796$17,422,48913.3513,452NYSE AMSCitadel0.39%NYSE
MID15/07/2020American Century Mid Cap Growth Impact ETF$83,330,517$11,620,79711.914,635NYSE AMSCitadel0.45%NYSE
ESGY01/07/2021American Century Sustainable Growth ETF$17,789,730$977,27916.511,532NYSE AMSCitadel0.39%NYSE
NDVG05/08/2021Nuveen Dividend Growth ETF$13,486,007-$1,543,79817.042,296NYSE AMSCitadel0.65%NYSE
NSCS05/08/2021Nuveen Small Cap Select ETF$8,251,191$277,03037.58528NYSE AMSCitadel0.86%NYSE
NWLG05/08/2021Nuveen Winslow Large-Cap Growth ESG ETF$9,713,167$887,09418.27923NYSE AMSCitadel0.65%NYSE
SAEF16/11/2021Schwab Ariel ESG ETF$27,083,700$2,339,75027.062,788NYSE AMSFlow Traders0.59%NYSE
TSME05/10/2022Thrivent Small-Mid Cap ESG ETF$267,587,941$56,059,90524.1546,823NYSE AMSRBC0.65%NYSE
JPSV08/03/2023JPMorgan Active Small Cap Value ETF$18,963,000$2,152,80013.561,293NYSE AMSCitadel0.74%NYSE
LSGR29/06/2023Natixis Loomis Sayles Focused Growth ETF$307,347,660$245,595,13913.1432,473NYSE AMSCitadel0.59%NYSE
SGLC31/03/2023SGI U.S. Large Cap Core ETF$106,321,813-$16,670,55032.5516,167NYSE AMSGTS0.85%NYSE
FDG02/04/2020American Century Focused Dynamic Growth ETF$297,992,367$20,676,39710.1412,700NYSE AMSCitadel0.45%NYSE
FLV02/04/2020American Century Focused Large Cap Value ETF$241,973,766-$1,270,55110.106,531NYSE AMSCitadel0.42%NYSE
FBCG04/06/2020Fidelity Blue Chip Growth ETF$2,878,115,011$1,226,351,09114.03435,764Fidelity ProxyGTS0.59%Cboe BZX
FBCV04/06/2020Fidelity Blue Chip Value ETF$128,338,676-$9,266,19316.5914,258Fidelity ProxyGTS0.59%Cboe BZX
FFLC04/06/2020Fidelity New Millennium ETF$666,627,478$399,896,21925.7480,593Fidelity ProxyGTS0.38%Cboe BZX
FFLG04/02/2021Fidelity Growth Opportunities ETF$368,650,403$40,310,20222.0051,035Fidelity ProxyCitadel0.38%Cboe BZX
FMAG04/02/2021Fidelity Magellan ETF$172,766,002$91,341,4327.7346,576Fidelity ProxyRBC0.59%Cboe BZX
FPRO04/02/2021Fidelity Real Estate Investment ETF$15,456,210$288,52716.853,408Fidelity ProxyCitadel0.59%Cboe BZX
FFSM04/02/2021Fidelity Small/Mid-Cap Opportunities ETF$110,966,738$52,131,1928.2022,940Fidelity ProxyRBC0.43%Cboe BZX
FSST17/06/2021Fidelity Sustainability U.S. Equity ETF$15,594,457$1,258,34411.681,779Fidelity ProxyRBC0.59%NYSE
FDWM17/06/2021Fidelity Women's Leadership ETF$4,820,680$555,37615.58853Fidelity ProxyRBC0.59%NYSE
TCHP05/08/2020T. Rowe Price Blue Chip Growth ETF$953,493,966$265,512,4289.30105,336T Rowe ProxyVirtu0.57%NYSE
TDVG05/08/2020T. Rowe Price Dividend Growth ETF$841,525,475$405,279,2217.3385,879T Rowe ProxyRBC0.50%NYSE
TEQI05/08/2020T. Rowe Price Equity Income ETF$265,672,343$96,130,8879.9118,079T Rowe ProxyVirtu0.54%NYSE
TGRW05/08/2020T. Rowe Price Growth Stock ETF$273,249,575$166,113,4788.8125,288T Rowe ProxyRBC0.52%NYSE
TSPA08/06/2021T. Rowe Price U.S. Equity Research ETF$1,110,385,795$872,030,08710.13138,821T Rowe ProxyRBC0.34%NYSE
IVRA22/12/2020Invesco Real Assets ESG ETF$10,624,657$6,130,70026.453,926Fidelity ProxyCitadel0.59%Cboe BZX
LOPP01/02/2021
Gabelli Love Our Planet & People ETF
$12,820,020-$799,74048.72360ActiveSharesGTS0.90%NYSE
GGRW16/02/2021Gabelli Growth Innovators ETF$6,031,155$1,026,90038.132,815ActiveSharesGTS0.90%NYSE
GAST05/01/2022Gabelli Asset ETF$5,756,800$246,54032.5955ActiveSharesGTS0.90%NYSE
GABF11/05/2022Gabelli Financial Services Opportunities ETF$42,188,900$24,424,94521.929,175ActiveSharesGTS0.90%NYSE
GCAD03/01/2023
Gabelli Commercial Aerospace & Defense ETF
$7,281,190$1,595,35031.03744ActiveSharesGTS0.90%NYSE
FRTY01/03/2021Alger Mid Cap 40 ETF$75,586,375$27,941,42544.0123,261ActiveSharesVirtu0.60%NYSE
ATFV04/05/2021Alger 35 ETF$33,598,800$11,166,80050.298,037ActiveSharesVirtu0.55%NYSE
AWEG07/03/2023Alger Weatherbie Enduring Growth ETF$5,797,638$305,87523.72159ActiveSharesVirtu0.65%NYSE
REIT26/02/2021ALPS Active REIT ETF$41,861,558$18,879,90019.298,725Blue TractorGTS0.68%NYSE
STNC16/03/2021Hennessy Stance ESG Large Cap ETF$103,929,682$32,213,24414.246,233Blue TractorGTS0.85%NYSE
DYTA30/03/2023SGI Dynamic Tactical ETF$62,501,400-$56,356,05829.4316,585Blue TractorGTS1.04%NASDAQ
PFUT26/05/2021Putnam Sustainable Future ETF$356,849,230$90,188,56916.1227,357Fidelity ProxyVirtu0.64%NYSE
PLDR26/05/2021Putnam Sustainable Leaders ETF$717,205,427$152,834,4039.9944,465Fidelity ProxyRBC0.59%NASDAQ
PGRO26/05/2021Putnam Focused Large Cap Growth ETF$69,582,274$5,674,1326.326,982Fidelity ProxyRBC0.56%NYSE
PVAL26/05/2021Putnam Focused Large Cap Value ETF$1,608,380,487$1,205,596,6764.25235,543Fidelity ProxyVirtu0.56%NYSE
HFGO09/11/2021Hartford Large Cap Growth ETF$136,597,250-$9,892,40315.243,642Fidelity ProxyCitadel0.60%NYSE
SEMI30/03/2022Columbia Seligman Semiconductor and Technology ETF$38,919,276$3,168,15029.114,998Fidelity ProxyVirtu0.75%NYSE
CAPE05/04/2022DoubleLine Shiller CAPE U.S. Equities ETF$422,766,060-$107,597,2006.6436,894ActiveSharesCitadel0.65%Cboe BZX
FMCX25/04/2022FMC Excelsior Focus Equity ETF$105,294,000$556,35022.23320ActiveSharesGTS0.70%NYSE
BYRE19/05/2022Principal Real Estate Active Opportunities ETF$12,498,314$2,393,61422.371,032Fidelity ProxyVirtu0.60%NYSE
JHAC02/11/2023John Hancock Fundamental All Cap Core ETF$4,471,278$1,171,09915.351,275Fidelity ProxyVirtu0.72%NYSE
FMCE11/11/2024FM Compounders Equity ETF$65,406,855-$4,068,45023.939,524ActiveSharesGTS0.70%NYSE
Total/Average$13,410,189,675$5,337,468,46719.591,629,1170.63%

Source: Factset & NYSE Internal Database and Consolidated Tape Statistics as of 12/6/2024
*Simple average

Recent Active ETF Launches


TickerNameIssuerLaunch DateAsset ClassAUM
KNOVInnovator U.S. Small Cap Power Buffer ETF - NovemberInnovator01/11/2024Equity$21,668,708
NNOVInnovator Growth-100 Power Buffer ETF - NovemberInnovator01/11/2024Equity$28,666,000
ZNOVInnovator Equity Defined Protection ETF - 1 Yr NovemberInnovator01/11/2024Equity$51,030,405
FPASFPA Short Duration Government ETFFPA01/11/2024Fixed Income$1,258,040
NVBUAllianzIM U.S. Equity Buffer15 Uncapped Nov ETFAllianz Investment Management01/11/2024Equity$20,433,340
CPSN
Calamos S&P 500 Structured Alt Protection ETF - November
Calamos01/11/2024Equity$19,020,025
BKDVBNY Mellon Dynamic Value ETFBNY Mellon04/11/2024Equity$12,057,133
PIEQPrincipal International Equity ETFPrincipal06/11/2024Equity$40,147,065
GRNYFundstrat Granny Shots US Large Cap ETFFundstrat07/11/2024Equity$563,109,250
PEPSParametric Equity Plus ETFMorgan Stanley08/11/2024Equity$23,157,026
FMCEFM Compounders Equity ETFFirst Manhattan11/11/2024Equity$65,318,857
MULLGraniteShares 2x Long MU Daily ETFGraniteShares12/11/2024Equity$423,347
TSMUGraniteShares 2x Long TSM Daily ETFGraniteShares12/11/2024Equity$2,140,907
CRWLGraniteShares 2x Long CRWD Daily ETFGraniteShares12/11/2024Equity$5,835,928
JIIIJanus Henderson Income ETFJanus13/11/2024Fixed Income$33,033,000
ITDJiShares LifePath Target Date 2070 ETFiShares13/11/2024Asset Allocation$2,042,256
DEXCDimensional Emerging Markets ex China Core Equity ETFDimensional Fund Advisors14/11/2024Equity$70,994,000
FHDGFT Vest U.S. Equity Quarterly Dynamic Buffer ETFFirst Trust18/11/2024Equity$1,549,192
NOVMFT Vest U.S. Equity Max Buffer ETF - NovemberFirst Trust18/11/2024Equity$16,912,562
QMNVFT Vest Nasdaq-100 Moderate Buffer ETF - NovemberFirst Trust18/11/2024Equity$20,450,041
BAFEBrown Advisory Flexible Equity ETFBrown Advisory18/11/2024Equity$1,009,410,853
BIDDBlackRock International Dividend ETFiShares18/11/2024Equity$757,890,855
SLNZTCW Senior Loan ETFTCW18/11/2024Fixed Income$295,126,307
IGCBTCW Corporate Bond ETFTCW18/11/2024Fixed Income$5,091,867
HYBXTCW High Yield Bond ETFTCW18/11/2024Fixed Income$40,749,356
MUSETCW Multisector Credit Income ETFTCW18/11/2024Fixed Income$50,530,000
ACLOTCW AAA CLO ETFTCW18/11/2024Fixed Income$46,150,880
FIRSFIRE Funds Wealth Builder ETFTidal ETF Services19/11/2024Asset Allocation$923,400
FIRIFIRE Funds Income Target ETFTidal ETF Services19/11/2024Asset Allocation$913,050
USAFAtlas America FundAtlas20/11/2024Asset Allocation$4,524,300
VCRMVanguard Core Tax-Exempt Bond ETFVanguard21/11/2024Fixed Income$47,225,400
VSDMVanguard Short Duration Tax-Exempt Bond ETFVanguard21/11/2024Fixed Income$45,351,000
FFDIFidelity Fundamental Developed International ETFFidelity21/11/2024Equity$10,406,480
FFEMFidelity Fundamental Emerging Markets ETFFidelity21/11/2024Equity$10,060,640
UPSDAptus Large Cap Upside ETFAptus21/11/2024Equity$10,850,293
FEACFidelity Enhanced U.S. All-Cap Equity ETFFidelity21/11/2024Equity$3,251,900
FEMRFidelity Enhanced Emerging Markets ETFFidelity21/11/2024Equity$10,135,160
BIGYYieldMax Target 12 Big 50 Option Income ETFYieldMax21/11/2024Equity$7,734,570
KDECInnovator U.S. Small Cap Power Buffer ETF - DecemberInnovator02/12/2024Equity$29,269,250
NDECInnovator Growth-100 Power Buffer ETF - DecemberInnovator02/12/2024Equity$40,705,500
ZDEKInnovator Equity Defined Protection ETF - 1 Yr DecemberInnovator02/12/2024Equity$42,070,000
DECUAllianzIM U.S. Equity Buffer15 Uncapped Dec ETFAllianz Investment Management02/12/2024Equity$13,852,520
CPNQCalamos Nasdaq-100 Structured Alt Protection ETF - DecemberCalamos02/12/2024Equity$8,648,525
CPSD
Calamos S&P 500 Structured Alt Protection ETF - December
Calamos02/12/2024Equity$20,629,524
PCMMBondBloxx Private Credit CLO ETFBondBloxx03/12/2024Fixed Income$12,543,750
PCLOVirtus Seix AAA Private Credit CLO ETFVirtus03/12/2024Fixed Income$11,274,850
SCYSimplify US Small Cap PLUS Income ETFSimplify03/12/2024Equity$2,453,245
YGLDSimplify Gold Strategy PLUS Income ETFSimplify03/12/2024Commodities$3,707,995
OAKMOakmark U.S. Large Cap ETFHarris Oakmark03/12/2024Equity$25,158,963
DMXDoubleLine Multi-Sector Income ETFDoubleLine03/12/2024Fixed Income$26,182,050
NVOXDefiance Daily Target 2X Long NVO ETFDefiance ETFs03/12/2024Equity$1,036,660
SOXYYieldMax Target 12 Semiconductor Option Income ETFYieldMax03/12/2024Equity$5,015,990
AISVistaShares Artificial Intelligence Supercycle ETFVistaShares03/12/2024Equity$638,500
QBIGInvesco Top QQQ ETFInvesco04/12/2024Equity$1,562,141
CEPIREX Crypto Equity Premium Income ETFREX Shares04/12/2024Equity$2,061,460
VOLTTema Electrification ETFTema04/12/2024Equity$2,512,960
COROiShares International Country Rotation Active ETFiShares04/12/2024Equity$5,025,000
GROZZacks Focus Growth ETFZacks Investment Management05/12/2024Equity$2,543,930
CORX2X Corn ETFVolatility Shares05/12/2024Commodities$1,574,500
WHTXVolatility Shares 2x Wheat ETFVolatility Shares05/12/2024Commodities$1,549,500
AFIXAllspring Broad Market Core Bond ETFAllspring05/12/2024Fixed Income$25,159,000
APLUAllspring Core Plus ETFAllspring05/12/2024Fixed Income$25,105,000
AINPAllspring Income Plus ETFAllspring05/12/2024Fixed Income$45,135,000
MFSBMFS Active Core Plus Bond ETFMFS05/12/2024Fixed Income$25,128,100
MFSGMFS Active Growth ETFMFS05/12/2024Equity$25,598,300
MFSMMFS Active Intermediate Muni Bond ETFMFS05/12/2024Fixed Income$25,056,900
MFSIMFS Active International ETFMFS05/12/2024Equity$25,350,000
MFSVMFS Active Value ETFMFS05/12/2024Equity$24,737,300
Total - 68 New ETFsTotal$3,836,859,804

Source: Factset as of 12/6/2024

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