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Q&A with FLX Distribution

September 10, 2021

This week we sit down with Jillian DelSignore at FLX Distribution to discuss how the state of sales and distribution across the active ETF industry.

Jillian DelSignore
Managing Director, Head of ETFs & Indexing, FLX Distribution

FLX Distribution provides a platform to help connect asset managers, wealth managers and advisors. For those that are unfamiliar, can you share the story of FLX and how your decade-plus of experience navigating ETF distribution led to your involvement?

FLX Distribution offers ETF issuers a modular approach to distribution strategy providing cost-effective and on-demand resources across all aspects of the business. Our technology platform revolutionizes the distribution experience between asset managers, wealth management home offices and advisors by creating a marketplace to provide resources and asset management solutions.

We recognize that distribution is changing. It’s more than just salespeople and needs to be supported by a holistic strategy. We also recognize that not all firms are at the same phase of their lifecycle and therefore don’t need the same levels of distribution support. We meet our managers where they are to provide solutions tailored to their needs and evolve the strategy as they and their needs change.

Personally, after a decade and a half in ETF distribution, I saw a real need for distribution solutions in the ETF industry as the barriers to entry came down in the last few years with the regulatory change. There has been a flood of new product and issuers of all sizes have been unable to effectively build distribution either from lack of resources or lack of focus given competing priorities.

At FLX, we think about distribution sitting at the intersection of tradition and innovation. Meaning, taking the best practices that we have from our many decades of experience across the firm and combining it with a sharing economy to help our clients achieve scale they wouldn’t be able to do on their own. We have also worked across the asset management industry, including with various platforms specific to the ETF industry, to develop strategic partnerships to help better commercialize and support the sales of our clients’ products. Again, showing the distribution is well beyond just the human capital.

There are incredibly innovative ETFs coming to market and as such we have seen huge demand. I’m excited that we can provide such meaningful solutions and help support the growth of the industry.

Active ETFs are on pace for another record year, yet one of the most common topics the NYSE is asked about is building effective distribution. What is the state of play within ETF distribution today and what are the key items a firm should focus on to build an effective distribution strategy?

ETF distribution is changing. It was happening before COVID but that certainly accelerated the changes.

Distribution is about more than just salespeople. A holistic distribution approach incorporating an integrated media, marketing and digital strategy and understanding the use of technology and data is necessary.

You need to create scale across all aspects of a distribution strategy to compete. I believe that is one reason that FLX become such an important partner to ETF issuers. We help create that scale and our clients see the value, whether a startup or established issuer.

You have to be bringing more than just product and more than just a relationship. Don’t get me wrong, both matter immensely, but support for advisors beyond that is increasingly important.

A key part of the distribution strategy is understanding the buyer and the barriers to those buyers. Will wealth management platforms approve your product given its structure (i.e.: fully vs semi-transparent), what are the criteria for approval, will advisors face a ticket charge if they want to buy my ETF? These are questions that a firm should know the answers to before ever considering a launch.

Can your current distribution team and approach support ETFs if you are launching for the first time? It is important to have ETF DNA inside your firm at least in part – someone who understands the ecosystem and its participants.

And no discussion on distribution would be complete without talking about data. Where do you get it, how much does it cost, how to you use it to make for a better sales experience. The conversation is endless. Let’s just say it is driving distribution and is only getting more important.

In the ETF industry we often say ETFs are sold, not bought. How does this comment pertain to active ETFs and what strategies can an asset manager employ to overcome distribution hurdles?

In the vast majority of cases, ETFs are sold, not bought and that is certainly true in active ETFs. As with active products in general, an asset manager, or ETF issuer in this case, needs to teach advisors about their strategy. What is their investment process, how is it differentiated versus similar strategies, how has it performed and why? Now that is also part of the sales process for index-based ETFs – think strategic beta, thematic or even market cap weighted – as seemingly similar indexes can be quite different under the hood, but it is that much more pronounced in active.

An issuer must also bring more than just product. Having a unique product with great performance is table stakes. Advisors are working with fewer and fewer partners and are looking for more from said partners. How do I use your ETF, where does it fit in my portfolios, what happens to the performance and risk of my portfolio if I add it, what research do you have to support your investment thesis – and so on.

Over the last year the active ETF market has welcomed a series of new structures, including the NYSE Active Proxy Structure, that allow an asset manager to maintain holdings disclosure flexibility and access the benefits of ETFs. How have the distribution platforms responded to these new product structures?

Generally speaking, the wealth management platforms have taken a wait-and-see approach. Many have said publicly that they plan to eventually approve them for use by their advisors but would like to watch them trade, gain track record, etc. While I am not privy to the discussions, I have to imagine the last year plus since the first semi-transparent ETF launched has been filled by a lot of education on the part of the issuers. That education will pivot from the home offices of the platforms to advisors once the products begin to gain approval.

What guidance would you provide sponsors as they consider expanding their product offer to include actively managed ETFs (either fully transparent or semi-transparent)?

There are several considerations that I would put at the top of the list. This is by no means exhaustive, but just some of what an asset manager should think about in making the decision.

Who are your buyers? Can you access those buyers? Meaning, are you relying on particular wealth management platforms that may or may not approve your ETF for use?

How are you raising your first $50 million? This goes hand in hand with the first consideration. A thought-out distribution strategy is critical - not just sales, but PR, media, marketing (digital and otherwise) and technology needed to support all of this.

If you’re an existing asset manager, will your current sales team support the ETF, or will you hire ETF Specialists?

I don’t like to lean on performance but frankly that is why investors buy active products. If the strategy is not gathering assets in a different structure (SMA, mutual fund), just putting it in the ETF wrapper is unlikely to change the tide. Performance must be there.

Competitive landscape – what ETFs are currently available in your asset class and at what cost? What is your differentiator versus those products? You have to bring something beyond just your product to the table for advisors.

Surround yourself with great organizations like the NYSE who can also act as a consultant and connector. The NYSE provides unparalleled support to their listing clients helping them navigate the entire ETF ecosystem and supporting distribution. They understand what all must go in to an ETF launch and ongoing promotion.

Active ETF Stat Pack

Firms
# of Issuers 129
# of New Issuers 2021 36
Products Assets
# of ETFs 635 AUM ($B) $270.31
# of New Launches 2021 171 3 Yr AUM CAGR 165%
Avg. ER 0.51% 5 Yr AUM CAGR 61%
Cash Flow Trading
YTD Cash Flow ($B) $65.50 YTD ADV (Shares) 58,989,907
3 Yr Cash Flow $162.10 YTD ADV ($) $3.55B
5 Yr Cash Flow $197.30 YTD Avg. Spread (bps)* 27.55

Source: Factset & NYSE Internal Database and Consolidated Tape Statistics as of 8/31/2021
*Simple average

Active, Semi-Transparent Update

Ticker

Inception

Name

AUM

YTD Cash Flow

Avg. Spread (bps)

ADV (shares)

Structure

LMM

Expense Ratio

EQOP 9/17/20 Natixis U.S. Equity Opportunities ETF $15,092,285 $345,989 16.175 79 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.90%
VNSE 9/17/20 Natixis Vaughan Nelson Select ETF $7,506,167 $(338,859) 14.68 552 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.90%
VNMC 9/17/20 Natixis Vaughan Nelson Mid Cap ETF $11,068,771 $1,586,361 14.56 1,174 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.85%
ESGA 7/15/20 American Century Sustainable Equity ETF $153,173,094 $15,892,123 14.45 9,791 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.39%
MID 7/15/20 American Century Mid Cap Growth Impact ETF $22,329,532 $11,656,986 14.91 2,383 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.45%
ESGY 7/1/21 American Century Sustainable Growth ETF $6,067,348 $(26,322,389) 4.85 3,015 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.39%
NDVG 8/5/21 Nuveen Dividend Growth ETF $5,169,120 $- 7.77 9,472 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.64%
NSCS 8/5/21 Nuveen Small Cap Select ETF $5,199,880 $- 10.435 8,982 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.85%
NWLG 8/5/21 Nuveen Winslow Large-Cap Growth ESG ETF $5,177,640 $- 7.81 9,036 NYSE AMS Citadel 0.64%
FDG 4/2/20 American Century Focused Dynamic Growth ETF $232,889,553 $(22,552,700) 11.67 27,912 ActiveShares Citadel 0.45%
FLV 4/2/20 American Century Focused Large Cap Value ETF $265,171,525 $65,366,688 14.84 8,689 ActiveShares Citadel 0.42%
CFCV 5/28/20 ClearBridge Focus Value ETF $4,175,708 $352,421 25.925 552 ActiveShares GTS 0.50%
FBCG 6/4/20 Fidelity Blue Chip Growth ETF $466,314,080 $212,046,555 17.14 161,524 Fidelity Proxy GTS 0.59%
FBCV 6/4/20 Fidelity Blue Chip Value ETF $97,790,578 $41,446,803 22.855 44,961 Fidelity Proxy GTS 0.59%
FMIL 6/4/20 Fidelity New Millennium ETF $61,184,710 $31,252,648 20.305 29,087 Fidelity Proxy GTS 0.59%
FGRO 2/4/21 Fidelity Growth Opportunities ETF $44,291,600 $38,898,538 4.84 40,602 Fidelity Proxy Citadel 0.59%
FMAG 2/4/21 Fidelity Magellan ETF $40,924,780 $33,665,740 11.06 31,889 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.59%
FPRO 2/4/21 Fidelity Real Estate Investment ETF $18,818,028 $13,977,080 4.17 13,619 Fidelity Proxy Citadel 0.59%
FSMO 2/4/21 Fidelity Small/Mid-Cap Opportunities ETF $26,301,330 $21,909,225 14.445 19,639 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.59%
FSST 6/17/21 Fidelity Sustainability U.S. Equity ETF $4,322,800 $2,084,578 10.05 6,126 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.59%
FDWM 6/17/21 Fidelity Women's Leadership ETF $2,107,600 $- 11.83 1,528 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.59%
TCHP 8/5/20 T. Rowe Price Blue Chip Growth ETF $220,001,583 $128,093,657 9.875 48,165 T Rowe Proxy Virtu 0.57%
TDVG 8/5/20 T. Rowe Price Dividend Growth ETF $98,162,125 $50,476,471 7.55 16,334 T Rowe Proxy RBC 0.50%
TEQI 8/5/20 T. Rowe Price Equity Income ETF $50,281,622 $21,285,434 11.54 8,812 T Rowe Proxy Virtu 0.54%
TGRW 8/5/20 T. Rowe Price Growth Stock ETF $45,254,410 $12,843,267 8.395 6,224 T Rowe Proxy RBC 0.52%
TSPA 6/8/21 T. Rowe Price U.S. Equity Research ETF $18,135,874 $1,910,289 8.955 2,347 T Rowe Proxy RBC 0.52%
IVDG 12/22/20 Invesco Focused Discovery Growth ETF $1,256,684 $(150,680) 14.895 1,228 Invesco Model Citadel 0.59%
IVSG 12/22/20 Invesco Select Growth ETF $1,411,914 $- 14.69 951 Invesco Model Citadel 0.48%
IVLC 12/22/20 Invesco US Large Cap Core ESG ETF $7,595,655 $5,717,560 14.06 3,762 Fidelity Proxy Citadel 0.48%
IVRA 12/22/20 Invesco Real Assets ESG ETF $1,899,445 $433,080 78.22 2,389 Fidelity Proxy Citadel 0.59%
LOPP 2/1/21 Gabelli Love Our Planet & People ETF $10,726,620 $6,393,130 15.91 2,400 ActiveShares GTS 0.90%
GGRW 2/16/21 Gabelli Growth Innovators ETF $4,082,250 $1,158,250 11.745 650 ActiveShares GTS 0.90%
FRTY 3/1/21 Alger Mid Cap 40 ETF $36,546,875 $26,106,750 40.01 17,940 ActiveShares Virtu 0.60%
ATFV 5/4/21 Alger 35 ETF $14,978,250 $13,080,875 34.645 9,032 ActiveShares Virtu 0.55%
REIT 2/26/21 ALPS Active REIT ETF $23,583,311 $20,102,650 15.945 8,966 Blue Tractor GTS 0.68%
STNC 3/16/21 Stance Equity ESG Large Cap Core ETF $37,587,268 $5,870,611 14.135 3,007 Blue Tractor GTS 0.85%
PFUT 5/26/21 Putnam Sustainable Future ETF $9,140,000 $- 29.545 4,288 Fidelity Proxy Virtu 0.64%
PLDR 5/26/21 Putnam Sustainable Leaders ETF $7,550,000 $- 9.28 4,103 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.59%
PGRO 5/26/21 Putnam Focused Large Cap Growth ETF $10,820,000 $- 8.86 7,609 Fidelity Proxy RBC 0.55%
PVAL 5/26/21 Putnam Focused Large Cap Value ETF $9,310,000 $- 28.38 5,394 Fidelity Proxy Virtu 0.55%

 

 

Total/Average

$2,103,400,014

$734,589,130

16.285

584,211

 

 

0.61%

Source: Factset & NYSE Internal Database and Consolidated Tape Statistics as of 8/31/2021
*Cash Flow unavailable

August Active ETF Launches

Ticker Name Issuer Launch Date Asset Class AUM
SPRX Spear Alpha ETF Spear 8/4/21 Equity $2,144,000.00
VCLN Virtus Duff & Phelps Clean Energy ETF Virtus Investment Partners 8/4/21 Equity $1,326,031.07
NDVG Nuveen Dividend Growth ETF TIAA 8/5/21 Equity $5,158,400.00
NSCS Nuveen Small Cap Select ETF TIAA 8/5/21 Equity $5,181,260.00
NWLG Nuveen Winslow Large-Cap Growth ESG ETF TIAA 8/5/21 Equity $5,193,900.00
HEET Hartford Schroders ESG US Equity ETF The Hartford 8/11/21 Equity $10,249,720.00
BKUI BNY Mellon Ultra Short Income ETF The Bank of New York Mellon Corp. 8/11/21 Fixed Income $27,511,050.02
JHMB John Hancock Mortgage-Backed Securities ETF Manulife 8/19/21 Fixed Income $20,028,000.00
RSPY Revere Sector Opportunity ETF Tuttle Tactical Management, LLC 8/24/21 Equity $5,059,180.00
FFND Future Fund Active ETF Future Fund Advisors 8/24/21 Equity $4,631,868.00
SMIG AAM Bahl & Gaynor Small/Mid Cap Income Growth ETF Advisors Asset Management 8/26/21 Equity $5,323,500.00
Total 11 New Funds       $91,806,909.09

Source: Factset as of 8/31/2021

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